Showing posts with label iliad. Show all posts
Showing posts with label iliad. Show all posts

25 February 2013

HOMER IN THE BALTIC, A PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC FANTASY PEDDLED
AS HISTORY & PHILOLOGY. I HAVE PROVEN HIM WRONG ON EVERY
NORTHERN (BALTIC) TOPONYM HE COMPARES TO THE ILIAD &
THE ODYSSEY. REMEMBER THAT SEINFELD EPISODE WHERE
SOMEHOW KRAMER ENDS UP WITH A JOB IN A CORPORATION?
WHEN HE GETS FIRED, HIS SUPERIOR SAYS, "IT'S ALMOST AS IF
YOU'VE HAD NO BUSINESS-EDUCATION.." WELL, I SAY THE SAME
ABOUT VINCI, "IT IS AS IF HE HAS HAD ZERO LINGUISTIC
EDUCATION. HIS CLAIMS ARE SO OUTLANDISHLY,
EGREGIOUSLY SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG, IT IS LAUGHABLE.
HE COMPARES HOMERIC GREEK (FROM THE 900 CENTURY BC)
TO MODERN, DISTANTLY COGNATE GERMANIC, SWEDISH,
NORWEGIAN, DANISH, TO COGNATE BALTO-SLAVIC LITHUANIAN,
LATVIAN, POLISH & TO UTTERLY UNRELATED FENNO-UGRIC
(URALIC) LANGUAGES, FINNISH, LIVONIAN & ESTONIAN. HE
COMPLETELY IGNORES THE FACT THAT HE COMPARES APPLES
TO ORANGES, COMPARING MODERN FORMS WITH 3000-YEAR-OLD
ACHAEAN-GREEK FORMS. HE IS EITHER IGNORANT OF THE
LINGUISTIC LAWS OF INDO-EUROPEAN, DIACHRONICS,
GRIMM'S LAW, VERNER'S, ETC., OR A LIAR



 diachronic / synchronic. (Gk, chronos, time; dia-, through, across; syn-, with, together). A diachronic study or analysis concerns itself with the evolution and change over time of that which is studied; it is roughly equivalent to historical

Thus diachronic linguistics is also known as historical linguistics. A synchronic study or analysis, in contrast, limits its concern to a particular moment of time. 

Thus synchronic linguistics takes a language as a working system at a particular point in time without concern for how it has developed to its present state. 

The extent to which synchronic study really does as it were take a frozen slice of history for study is itself not absolute: to talk of a system necessarily implies movement and interaction, and movement and interaction take place in time. 

Thus the synchronic studies of complete cultures carried out by the anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss involved investigation of, for instance, symbolic exchanges which were consecutive rather than simultaneous, so that the element of temporal sequence is still present in such structuralist investigations.  

Published, edited, images added and commentary/annotations (in red) by Kenneth S. Doig

Mykines, Greece

Mykines or Mikines (I have never see the form Mykines in books or when I was there on Mykonos. It is pronounced in Greek, [meek-oh-nohss]) is a village and a municipality located 1 km west of the ancient site of Mycenae and 2 km east of the highway linking Argos and Corinth. In medieval times it was known as Charvati. 

Mykines, Mykines

Mykines village (pronounced in Faroese, [mitcha-ness]) is the only settlement on Mykines Island, the westernmost of the Faeroe Islands. It is a beautiful little coastal village with bright houses with turf-roofs, with an old turf-roofed stone Church dating from 1878, and a small stream flowing through the village.

Achaeans (tribe)


From Wikipedia
The Achaeans were one of the four major tribes into which the people of Classical Greece divided themselves. According to the foundation myth formalized by Hesiod, their name comes from Achaeus, the mythical founder of the Achaean tribe.

19 October 2012

EUHEMERISM : Chapter 1: Heroes and Heroic Deeds


EUHEMERISM

The Greek Myths

Published, edited, images added, any comments/annotations by me, (in red) & formatted by Kenneth S. Doig


Written by William Harris, Prof. Em. Middlebury College

Chapter 1: Heroes and Heroic Deeds

The world we live in is the natural frame or reference for our views, since our lives are passed in close physical association with others, and we work closely with other people as the normal function of urban living, which is now almost synonymous with the idea of civilization. 


It is natural for us to see other human beings, whether in the past or present, as social animals, Aristotle put it just that way, and for him, living in Greece in the fourth century B.C., the term was perfectly well suited. 

06 August 2012

A very short glossary of Luwian, the Indo-Hittite [IH] (IH, a subfamily within Indo-European); Allegedly the Trojan's tongue


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Glossary:


 Proto-Indo-European Urheimat Hypotheses
(believe it or not, this ancient language, spoken in Asia Minor c. 1800 BC- c. 600 BC, is distant kin to English. It is closely related or descended from Hittite, the earliest IE language with written attestation, dating back to c. 2000BC)

a- (he) [Hittite a-, e-]
adduwali- (angry) [Hittite idalu-]
ahha (how, when)
ahw- (to drink) [IE *ekw- (water, to drink), Common Anatolian (CA) *ekw- (to drink)]

26 July 2012

The Trojanwar, fought by bronze-age Celts vs. Celts for tin in Britain. Theater was Atlantic, from Scandinavia to Cuba.....Wilkens' view


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            TRADITIONAL MAP                   ACCORDING TO WILKENS          IMAN WILKENS
Where Troy Once Stood is a book by Iman Wilkens that argues that the city of Troy was located in England and that the Trojan War was

25 July 2012

Ilion, Wilusa, Ilium, Troy : the traditional view....




PUBLISHED, EDITED, FORMATTED & ANNOTATIONS (IN RED) BY KENNETH S. DOIG
(
Wikipedia)
Troy (Ancient Greek [IE]: Ἴλιον, Ilion, and Τροία, Troia; Latin [IE] : Trōia and Īlium; Hittite [IE] : Wilusa or Truwisa; Turkish [non-IE] : Truva) was a city, both factual and legendary, located in northwest Anatolia in what is now Turkey, southeast of the Dardanelles and beside Mount Ida. 

It is best known for being the setting of the Trojan War described in the Greek Epic Cycle and especially in the Iliad, one of the two epic poems attributed to Homer.(Ὅμηρος, Hómēros)
Metrical evidence from the Iliad and the Odyssey seems to show that the name Ἴλιον (Ilion) formerly began with a digamma:(an archaic Greek letter, /w/-- all but lost by the classical Greek period.) Ϝίλιον (Wilion). This was later supported by the Hittite form Wilusa.

A new city called Ilium (Ilium was the Latin name, classical Greek Ilion. A note on morphology. In PIE & the early Indo-European languages the nominative/accusative, singular of most neuter nouns & adjectives had a nasal sound/letter [n or m] as the case ending. Examples, {in nom/acc sing & plur}: Greek automaton, pl., automata; Latin saxum, pl., saxa, Proto-NW-Germanic *jæran or *jæram, "year" nom/acc/sing; *jæru or *jæra, "years". Cf. Sanskrit & Avestan, neut.sing.nom/acc -am ending. So that's the reason you see Ilium & Ilion. The -um & -on are cognate. K.Doig) was founded on the site in the reign of the Roman Emperor Augustus. It flourished until the establishment of Constantinople and declined gradually during the Byzantine era.

04 August 2011

REVIEW AND COMMENTARY : THE BALTIC ORIGINS OF HOMER'S EPIC TALES: THE ILIAD, THE ODYSSEY, AND THE MIGRATION OF MYTH

Published by Kenneth S. Doig

THE BALTIC ORIGINS OF HOMER'S EPIC TALES:
THE ILIAD, THE ODYSSEY, AND THE MIGRATION OF MYTH
by Felice Vinci

ODYSSEY - Yes; ILIAD - No

REVIEW AND COMMENTARY

SYNOPSIS:The back cover of the English edition of this book, originally published in Italian in 1995, mentions how Vinci "explains how the cool, foggy, weather described by Ulysses matches that of northern climes rather than the sunny, warm, Mediterranean and Aegean." This indeed is what the Odyssey suggests. This and other investigations in Part One of his book does indeed ring very true. But when he looks for Baltic content in the Iliad, he fails in my view. His evidence is weak and can be read in other ways not involving the Baltic, and some evidence is completely contradictory, and yet fails to be mentioned. For example, the the book's cover notes continue: " ..and how battles lasting through the whole night would easily have been possible in the long days of the Baltic summer. " Vinci does not make any reference to the night when the Trojans are camped on the plain with fires going, and the Iliad explains how the mountains, glades and headlands are visible under the bright moonlight. This shows that nightime fighting could occur because of clear nights with full moon, and therefore there is no need to see nighttime fighting as evidence of there being a short Baltic night. There is much more that Vinci does not discuss that in fact undermines his theory when applied to the Iliad. Another example is his reference to the Odysseyshowing that the boats were two-prowed (the stem and the stern the same) like northern boats (ancestral to Viking boats). But in my search of the Iliad I found a passage that described the sterns of the Iliadboats to have a raised deck, which means they were true Greek warships. My view therefore is that Vinci did indeed find Baltic Origins in the original content of the Odyssey, but not in the Iliad. He should have titled the book "The Baltic Origins of theOdyssey". It is generally accepted by scholars that the Odyssey and Iliad were written by different poets and the Odyssey some time later - probably as a sequel after the Iliadwas popular and the whole Trojan War tale known. But in general Vinci and the promotions of the book lead the reader astray by speaking as if "Homer" is one person. "Homer's Epics" says the title. This makes the reader think both epics were written by the same person, hence giving the impression what applies to one applies to the other. This of course helps Vinci find readers accepting a transder of his findings (like the two-prow boat) from the Odyssey to the Iliad. It isn't until page 204 is that Vinci acknowledges scholars have for a long time believed the two "Homer" tales were written by different authors. I can see why it is advantageous both for his theory and book sales to bury this information;because if the epics are not "Homer's" epics but epics by two different authors, then each epic can have very different origins, and the Odyssey can be merely adapting references to details of the Trojan War from the Iliadalready known and now famous, while introducing and adapting new northern Norwegian and Baltic information to masquerade as Greek places. This very logical and straightforward interpretation fits what scholars know about how minstrels created works from many sources. Indeed if I myself were to create a sequel to the Iliad today, I would begin by getting to know the details found in the Iliad, and nestle them into my new tale, and then adapt all my new content to fit the Iliadand the Greek world. But Vinci cannot entertain this MOST LIKELY scenario, because his theorizing is more elaborate and he has a larger agenda. He is promoting a strange concept of the entire Greek world - place names and culture - having a Baltic origin, which moved south as a result of cooling after a "climatic optimum" around 2500BC. Thus to serve this larger theorizing he had to find that the Trojan War occurred in the northern Baltic and he had to find that the writers of both the Iliad and Odysseyeven if separately, wrote about the same Baltic war. But let's overlook the manipulations that hide the most logical interpretations. Let's ASSUME Vinci was right. If so then the Iliad itself should reveal it had references to the Baltic. But when I carefully read the Iliad, I did not find any Baltic. I found nothing to go against the traditional view that the Iliad was set in the Aegean world. Yes, there are discrepancies, but not the kinds of evidence that prove a northern setting. The significant discrepancies relate to Lycia and Lycians. Wishing to pursue the real truth, I began a research into Lycia, and discovered the more likely location of the Trojan War - southwest Turkey, the ancient Xanthos valley that was Lycia. This setting also solves many of the small discrepancied too related to the Dardnelles location like presence of wood, and the possibility of mist and nighttime coolness as a result of being surrounded by the Taurus mountains. ( You can read the paper I created documenting my findings, at the link at the bottom of this page.) The following text elaborates on these brief comments.

05 July 2011

THE LEADING FIGURES OF THE ILIAD

Published by Kenneth S. Doig

800 BC: Homeric writings

1186 BC: The Trojan War 


Although the Trojan War was the subject of legend and myth in the writings of Homer, there is little doubt that some great conflict took place that resulted in Greek expansion into the coast of Asia Minor and the extension of trade into the Black Sea. Excavations by the German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann in the late 19th century revealed that the city of Troy was a prosperous center as far back as 3000 BC. The ten-year war is believed to have taken place in the early 12th century BC. 

HOMERIC LEGEND

Achaean Warrior




Published, edited, formatted & images added by K.S. Doig
Preface by K.S. Doig


Never once does Homer refer to the Greeks or Greece by the term "Greek" or "Greece" as those names are of a minor northwestern Hellenic tribe. We get the names "Greece" and "Greek" from the Romans. Apparently one of the first Hellenic tribes with which they came into contact with were the "Graikhos" or something similar to that. So the Romans called all Hellenes the Latinized forms, "graeci" (pronounced [grigh-kee] and the land "Graecia" [grigh-kee-a]) Today the Greeks usually refer to themselves as "Hellenes", "Hellenic" and the nation as "Hellas". Homer uses oftenest, the term of the dominant tribe of that period, the Achaeans  [ah-kay-unz], he also uses the term "Danaan" and "Argives" from the city-state of Argos.
By K. Doig

800 BC: Homeric writings
Two of the classics of Western literature are the 'Iliad' and 'The Odyssey', both of which have been ascribed to a blind poet named Homer. Very little is known about Homer, though some scholars believe he lived between 850 and 750 BC. Others believe he is merely a legend, since the blind seer or poet is a common figure in ancient Greek literature. These poems began as part of an oral tradition, and the stories were retold over the centuries before being written down.

19 May 2011

ACHAEANS, ARGIVES, HELLENES & DANAANS...........??

HOMER IN THE BALTIC, A PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC FANTASY PEDDLED
AS HISTORY & PHILOLOGY. I HAVE PROVEN HIM WRONG ON EVERY
NORTHERN (BALTIC) TOPONYM HE COMPARES TO THE ILIAD &
THE ODYSSEY. REMEMBER THAT SEINFELD EPISODE WHERE
SOMEHOW KRAMER ENDS UP WITH A JOB IN A CORPORATION?
WHEN HE GETS FIRED, HIS SUPERIOR SAYS, "IT'S ALMOST AS IF
YOU'VE HAD NO BUSINESS-EDUCATION.." WELL, I SAY THE SAME
ABOUT VINCI, "IT IS AS IF HE HAS HAD ZERO LINGUISTIC
EDUCATION. HIS CLAIMS ARE SO OUTLANDISHLY,
EGREGIOUSLY SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG, IT IS LAUGHABLE.
HE COMPARES HOMERIC GREEK (FROM THE 900 CENTURY BC)
TO MODERN, DISTANTLY COGNATE GERMANIC, SWEDISH,
NORWEGIAN, DANISH, TO COGNATE BALTO-SLAVIC LITHUANIAN,
LATVIAN, POLISH & TO UTTERLY UNRELATED FENNO-UGRIC
(URALIC) LANGUAGES, FINNISH, LIVONIAN & ESTONIAN. HE
COMPLETELY IGNORES THE FACT THAT HE COMPARES APPLES
TO ORANGES, COMPARING MODERN FORMS WITH 3000-YEAR-OLD
ACHAEAN-GREEK FORMS. HE IS EITHER IGNORANT OF THE
LINGUISTIC LAWS OF INDO-EUROPEAN, DIACHRONICS,
GRIMM'S LAW, VERNER'S, ETC.



 diachronic / synchronic. (Gk, chronos, time; dia-, through, across; syn-, with, together). A diachronic study or analysis concerns itself with the evolution and change over time of that which is studied; it is roughly equivalent to historical

Thus diachronic linguistics is also known as historical linguistics. A synchronic study or analysis, in contrast, limits its concern to a particular moment of time. 

Thus synchronic linguistics takes a language as a working system at a particular point in time without concern for how it has developed to its present state. 

The extent to which synchronic study really does as it were take a frozen slice of history for study is itself not absolute: to talk of a system necessarily implies movement and interaction, and movement and interaction take place in time. 

Thus the synchronic studies of complete cultures carried out by the anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss involved investigation of, for instance, symbolic exchanges which were consecutive rather than simultaneous, so that the element of temporal sequence is still present in such structuralist investigations.  
Published, edited, images added and commentary/annotations (in red) by Kenneth S. Doig

Mykines, Greece

Mykines or Mikines (I have never see the form Mykines in books or when I was there on Mykonos. It is pronounced in Greek, [meek-oh-nohss]) is a village and a municipality located 1 km west of the ancient site of Mycenae and 2 km east of the highway linking Argos and Corinth. In medieval times it was known as Charvati. 

Mykines, Mykines

Mykines village (pronounced in Faroese, [mitcha-ness]) is the only settlement on Mykines Island, the westernmost of the Faeroe Islands. It is a beautiful little coastal village with bright houses with turf-roofs, with an old turf-roofed stone Church dating from 1878, and a small stream flowing through the village.

Achaeans (tribe)


From Wikipedia
The Achaeans were one of the four major tribes into which the people of Classical Greece divided themselves. According to the foundation myth formalized by Hesiod, their name comes from Achaeus, the mythical founder of the Achaean tribe.

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