Showing posts with label HOMER IN THE BALTIC. Show all posts
Showing posts with label HOMER IN THE BALTIC. Show all posts

25 February 2013

HOMER IN THE BALTIC, A PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC FANTASY PEDDLED
AS HISTORY & PHILOLOGY. I HAVE PROVEN HIM WRONG ON EVERY
NORTHERN (BALTIC) TOPONYM HE COMPARES TO THE ILIAD &
THE ODYSSEY. REMEMBER THAT SEINFELD EPISODE WHERE
SOMEHOW KRAMER ENDS UP WITH A JOB IN A CORPORATION?
WHEN HE GETS FIRED, HIS SUPERIOR SAYS, "IT'S ALMOST AS IF
YOU'VE HAD NO BUSINESS-EDUCATION.." WELL, I SAY THE SAME
ABOUT VINCI, "IT IS AS IF HE HAS HAD ZERO LINGUISTIC
EDUCATION. HIS CLAIMS ARE SO OUTLANDISHLY,
EGREGIOUSLY SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG, IT IS LAUGHABLE.
HE COMPARES HOMERIC GREEK (FROM THE 900 CENTURY BC)
TO MODERN, DISTANTLY COGNATE GERMANIC, SWEDISH,
NORWEGIAN, DANISH, TO COGNATE BALTO-SLAVIC LITHUANIAN,
LATVIAN, POLISH & TO UTTERLY UNRELATED FENNO-UGRIC
(URALIC) LANGUAGES, FINNISH, LIVONIAN & ESTONIAN. HE
COMPLETELY IGNORES THE FACT THAT HE COMPARES APPLES
TO ORANGES, COMPARING MODERN FORMS WITH 3000-YEAR-OLD
ACHAEAN-GREEK FORMS. HE IS EITHER IGNORANT OF THE
LINGUISTIC LAWS OF INDO-EUROPEAN, DIACHRONICS,
GRIMM'S LAW, VERNER'S, ETC., OR A LIAR



 diachronic / synchronic. (Gk, chronos, time; dia-, through, across; syn-, with, together). A diachronic study or analysis concerns itself with the evolution and change over time of that which is studied; it is roughly equivalent to historical

Thus diachronic linguistics is also known as historical linguistics. A synchronic study or analysis, in contrast, limits its concern to a particular moment of time. 

Thus synchronic linguistics takes a language as a working system at a particular point in time without concern for how it has developed to its present state. 

The extent to which synchronic study really does as it were take a frozen slice of history for study is itself not absolute: to talk of a system necessarily implies movement and interaction, and movement and interaction take place in time. 

Thus the synchronic studies of complete cultures carried out by the anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss involved investigation of, for instance, symbolic exchanges which were consecutive rather than simultaneous, so that the element of temporal sequence is still present in such structuralist investigations.  

Published, edited, images added and commentary/annotations (in red) by Kenneth S. Doig

Mykines, Greece

Mykines or Mikines (I have never see the form Mykines in books or when I was there on Mykonos. It is pronounced in Greek, [meek-oh-nohss]) is a village and a municipality located 1 km west of the ancient site of Mycenae and 2 km east of the highway linking Argos and Corinth. In medieval times it was known as Charvati. 

Mykines, Mykines

Mykines village (pronounced in Faroese, [mitcha-ness]) is the only settlement on Mykines Island, the westernmost of the Faeroe Islands. It is a beautiful little coastal village with bright houses with turf-roofs, with an old turf-roofed stone Church dating from 1878, and a small stream flowing through the village.

Achaeans (tribe)


From Wikipedia
The Achaeans were one of the four major tribes into which the people of Classical Greece divided themselves. According to the foundation myth formalized by Hesiod, their name comes from Achaeus, the mythical founder of the Achaean tribe.

20 September 2011

TRUTH OR FANCIFUL, UNSCIENTIFIC SENSATIONALISM? (A CRITICAL REVIEW COMING)

PUBLISHED BY KENNETH S. DOIG
I will give you my detailed scientific analysis on just the linguistic comparisons he makes in a few days. K.Doig

HOMER IN THE BALTIC - SUMMARY
BY FELICE VINCI

http://sites.google.com/site/dhklinger/summaryofvinci'stext 

felicevinci@tiscalinet.it


The real scene of the Iliad and the Odyssey can be identified not in the Mediterranean Sea, where it proves to be weakened by many incongruities, but in the north of Europe. The sagas that gave rise to the two poems came from the Baltic regions, where the Bronze Age flourished in the 2nd millennium B. C. and many Homeric places, such as Troy and Ithaca, can still be identified. The blond seafarers who founded the Mycenaean civilization in the 16th century B. C. brought these tales from Scandinavia to Greece after the decline of the "climatic optimum". Then they rebuilt their original world, where the Trojan War and many other mythological events had taken place, in the Mediterranean; through many generations the memory of the heroic age and the feats performed by their ancestors in their lost homeland was preserved, and handed down to the following ages. This key allows us to easily open many doors that have been shut tight until now, as well as to consider the age-old question of the Indo-European diaspora and the origin of the Greek civilization from a new perspective.

04 August 2011

REVIEW AND COMMENTARY : THE BALTIC ORIGINS OF HOMER'S EPIC TALES: THE ILIAD, THE ODYSSEY, AND THE MIGRATION OF MYTH

Published by Kenneth S. Doig

THE BALTIC ORIGINS OF HOMER'S EPIC TALES:
THE ILIAD, THE ODYSSEY, AND THE MIGRATION OF MYTH
by Felice Vinci

ODYSSEY - Yes; ILIAD - No

REVIEW AND COMMENTARY

SYNOPSIS:The back cover of the English edition of this book, originally published in Italian in 1995, mentions how Vinci "explains how the cool, foggy, weather described by Ulysses matches that of northern climes rather than the sunny, warm, Mediterranean and Aegean." This indeed is what the Odyssey suggests. This and other investigations in Part One of his book does indeed ring very true. But when he looks for Baltic content in the Iliad, he fails in my view. His evidence is weak and can be read in other ways not involving the Baltic, and some evidence is completely contradictory, and yet fails to be mentioned. For example, the the book's cover notes continue: " ..and how battles lasting through the whole night would easily have been possible in the long days of the Baltic summer. " Vinci does not make any reference to the night when the Trojans are camped on the plain with fires going, and the Iliad explains how the mountains, glades and headlands are visible under the bright moonlight. This shows that nightime fighting could occur because of clear nights with full moon, and therefore there is no need to see nighttime fighting as evidence of there being a short Baltic night. There is much more that Vinci does not discuss that in fact undermines his theory when applied to the Iliad. Another example is his reference to the Odysseyshowing that the boats were two-prowed (the stem and the stern the same) like northern boats (ancestral to Viking boats). But in my search of the Iliad I found a passage that described the sterns of the Iliadboats to have a raised deck, which means they were true Greek warships. My view therefore is that Vinci did indeed find Baltic Origins in the original content of the Odyssey, but not in the Iliad. He should have titled the book "The Baltic Origins of theOdyssey". It is generally accepted by scholars that the Odyssey and Iliad were written by different poets and the Odyssey some time later - probably as a sequel after the Iliadwas popular and the whole Trojan War tale known. But in general Vinci and the promotions of the book lead the reader astray by speaking as if "Homer" is one person. "Homer's Epics" says the title. This makes the reader think both epics were written by the same person, hence giving the impression what applies to one applies to the other. This of course helps Vinci find readers accepting a transder of his findings (like the two-prow boat) from the Odyssey to the Iliad. It isn't until page 204 is that Vinci acknowledges scholars have for a long time believed the two "Homer" tales were written by different authors. I can see why it is advantageous both for his theory and book sales to bury this information;because if the epics are not "Homer's" epics but epics by two different authors, then each epic can have very different origins, and the Odyssey can be merely adapting references to details of the Trojan War from the Iliadalready known and now famous, while introducing and adapting new northern Norwegian and Baltic information to masquerade as Greek places. This very logical and straightforward interpretation fits what scholars know about how minstrels created works from many sources. Indeed if I myself were to create a sequel to the Iliad today, I would begin by getting to know the details found in the Iliad, and nestle them into my new tale, and then adapt all my new content to fit the Iliadand the Greek world. But Vinci cannot entertain this MOST LIKELY scenario, because his theorizing is more elaborate and he has a larger agenda. He is promoting a strange concept of the entire Greek world - place names and culture - having a Baltic origin, which moved south as a result of cooling after a "climatic optimum" around 2500BC. Thus to serve this larger theorizing he had to find that the Trojan War occurred in the northern Baltic and he had to find that the writers of both the Iliad and Odysseyeven if separately, wrote about the same Baltic war. But let's overlook the manipulations that hide the most logical interpretations. Let's ASSUME Vinci was right. If so then the Iliad itself should reveal it had references to the Baltic. But when I carefully read the Iliad, I did not find any Baltic. I found nothing to go against the traditional view that the Iliad was set in the Aegean world. Yes, there are discrepancies, but not the kinds of evidence that prove a northern setting. The significant discrepancies relate to Lycia and Lycians. Wishing to pursue the real truth, I began a research into Lycia, and discovered the more likely location of the Trojan War - southwest Turkey, the ancient Xanthos valley that was Lycia. This setting also solves many of the small discrepancied too related to the Dardnelles location like presence of wood, and the possibility of mist and nighttime coolness as a result of being surrounded by the Taurus mountains. ( You can read the paper I created documenting my findings, at the link at the bottom of this page.) The following text elaborates on these brief comments.

19 May 2011

ACHAEANS, ARGIVES, HELLENES & DANAANS...........??

HOMER IN THE BALTIC, A PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC FANTASY PEDDLED
AS HISTORY & PHILOLOGY. I HAVE PROVEN HIM WRONG ON EVERY
NORTHERN (BALTIC) TOPONYM HE COMPARES TO THE ILIAD &
THE ODYSSEY. REMEMBER THAT SEINFELD EPISODE WHERE
SOMEHOW KRAMER ENDS UP WITH A JOB IN A CORPORATION?
WHEN HE GETS FIRED, HIS SUPERIOR SAYS, "IT'S ALMOST AS IF
YOU'VE HAD NO BUSINESS-EDUCATION.." WELL, I SAY THE SAME
ABOUT VINCI, "IT IS AS IF HE HAS HAD ZERO LINGUISTIC
EDUCATION. HIS CLAIMS ARE SO OUTLANDISHLY,
EGREGIOUSLY SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG, IT IS LAUGHABLE.
HE COMPARES HOMERIC GREEK (FROM THE 900 CENTURY BC)
TO MODERN, DISTANTLY COGNATE GERMANIC, SWEDISH,
NORWEGIAN, DANISH, TO COGNATE BALTO-SLAVIC LITHUANIAN,
LATVIAN, POLISH & TO UTTERLY UNRELATED FENNO-UGRIC
(URALIC) LANGUAGES, FINNISH, LIVONIAN & ESTONIAN. HE
COMPLETELY IGNORES THE FACT THAT HE COMPARES APPLES
TO ORANGES, COMPARING MODERN FORMS WITH 3000-YEAR-OLD
ACHAEAN-GREEK FORMS. HE IS EITHER IGNORANT OF THE
LINGUISTIC LAWS OF INDO-EUROPEAN, DIACHRONICS,
GRIMM'S LAW, VERNER'S, ETC.



 diachronic / synchronic. (Gk, chronos, time; dia-, through, across; syn-, with, together). A diachronic study or analysis concerns itself with the evolution and change over time of that which is studied; it is roughly equivalent to historical

Thus diachronic linguistics is also known as historical linguistics. A synchronic study or analysis, in contrast, limits its concern to a particular moment of time. 

Thus synchronic linguistics takes a language as a working system at a particular point in time without concern for how it has developed to its present state. 

The extent to which synchronic study really does as it were take a frozen slice of history for study is itself not absolute: to talk of a system necessarily implies movement and interaction, and movement and interaction take place in time. 

Thus the synchronic studies of complete cultures carried out by the anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss involved investigation of, for instance, symbolic exchanges which were consecutive rather than simultaneous, so that the element of temporal sequence is still present in such structuralist investigations.  
Published, edited, images added and commentary/annotations (in red) by Kenneth S. Doig

Mykines, Greece

Mykines or Mikines (I have never see the form Mykines in books or when I was there on Mykonos. It is pronounced in Greek, [meek-oh-nohss]) is a village and a municipality located 1 km west of the ancient site of Mycenae and 2 km east of the highway linking Argos and Corinth. In medieval times it was known as Charvati. 

Mykines, Mykines

Mykines village (pronounced in Faroese, [mitcha-ness]) is the only settlement on Mykines Island, the westernmost of the Faeroe Islands. It is a beautiful little coastal village with bright houses with turf-roofs, with an old turf-roofed stone Church dating from 1878, and a small stream flowing through the village.

Achaeans (tribe)


From Wikipedia
The Achaeans were one of the four major tribes into which the people of Classical Greece divided themselves. According to the foundation myth formalized by Hesiod, their name comes from Achaeus, the mythical founder of the Achaean tribe.

TROJAN WARS IN THE BALTIC??

Preface
by Kenneth S. Doig


It sounds like an intriguing theory. True, many of the islands and places don't seem to exist at all or don't exist where Homer said  they are supposed to exist, and the areas that do exist, more often than not, their geographical description does not even come close to their physical description in Homer's books. For those of you say, well, Vinci's theory and Homer's epic take place over 3,000 years ago, a lot of geography might have changed, but geography changes very, very, very, very slowly,(3000 years compared to the earth's geologic-age of 5-biliion, i.e. five-thousand millions, is a nanosecond. (3000 years out of 5-billion is

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